Climategate: Mountain or Molehill?
To appreciate how matters might unfold, check out an op-ed in today's Wall St. Journal from Dr. Patrick J. Michaels, a climate scientist on the receiving end of some of those barbed emails revealed by the leak. In addition to calling into question the neutrality of the peer review process that underpins the science upon which the Copenhagen talks and any agreement that comes out of them are based, he provides a hint at the form that future legal challenges to the enforcement of such an agreement, or of rules arising from the EPA's recent endangerment finding, might take. These allegations are serious, particularly when you consider that Dr. Philip D. Jones, until this month the head of the Climate Research Unit at East Anglia, was also one of two Coordinating Lead Authors of Chapter 3 of the Fourth Assessment Review of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC.) That chapter (very large file) deals with actual observations of "surface and atmospheric climate change", including the temperature data. That makes him a key gatekeeper of the consensus.
I only ran across that connection, because I've been following a side debate concerning how actual temperature measurements at thousands of locations around the world over the last century have been tabulated. The barely civil online point-counterpoint between an anonymous blogger at The Economist and the proprietor of a well-known climate skeptic website gives a flavor for this complex topic. Along the way I was surprised to learn how frequently the actual temperature readings are adjusted, interpolated, and in some cases discarded. This involves many assumptions that I'm not qualified to question, though I am left with the conclusion that recent temperature trends fall into much the same category as the pre-measurement historical temperatures reconstructed from proxies such as tree rings. In other words, the familiar temperature trend graphs reflect mainly analysis, not primary data. That puts us all in the position of having to trust that this analysis was done properly and neutrally, and unfortunately that is precisely the trust that the leaked emails have undermined.
In a recent New York Times op-ed, Stewart Brand, an iconic figure and an acquaintance from my former work with Global Business Network when I was at Texaco, proposed a useful taxonomy for our reactions to climate change. He suggested four categories into which those with an opinion on the subject fall: Denialists, Skeptics, Warners, and Calamatists. The views of those in the first and last categories aren't likely to alter much, no matter what science and further evidence reveal about the climate. What they see reinforces pre-existing mindsets. The Skeptics and the Warners, on the other hand, are part of a legitimate scientific debate and are both amenable to adapting their views to new evidence.
I consider myself mainly a Warner in Stewart's terms, having consistently expounded the risks of climate change both in this blog and elsewhere, but I am still willing to give both sides of the argument a fair hearing. I want to see Climategate addressed openly and objectively. If the science turns out to be flawed because of bias and improper manipulation, we need to know that and correct the flaws. If the actual science is unaffected, but the means by which it has been conducted requires reform, then we need to address that as well, because if we don't the public's confidence in its findings won't be high enough to act on them. And I'd rather see this hashed out in an open scientific forum held by a body such as the AAAS and involving many disciplines outside climate science as a true jury of peers, than to see it resolved by litigation, which is where this all could be headed if scientists respond by shrugging it off or circling their wagons.
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RodAdams said:
Geoff:StephenGloor said:
Geoff Styles - " I'd rather see this situation addressed competently and openly."Fair enough however what is that has to be addressed? Your title says it all - this is a mountain made out of a molehill by people who do not want action on climate change.
Geoffrey Styles said:
Stephen.
I think you're missing the point, here. I'm not siding with the denialists, nor have I ever condoned illegal activity. However, the info is out there now. Like Pandora's Box, you can't stuff it back in and pretend it wasn't released, whatever the circumstances of that release. Focusing on that is no kind of defense at all. I'll leave it to others to decide whether the scientists involved were foolish and arrogant, frustrated beyond good sense, or engaged in a narrow conspiracy to obstruct legitimate Freedom of Information requests--though coming from an industry that has been plagued by frivolous lawsuits and FOI's for decades, my advice to those frustrated by them is to get over it; this is how the system works now, for both sides.
As someone who remains concerned about climate change despite Climategate and the circus-like conduct of Copenhagen, I'd rather see this situation addressed competently and openly. The longer it drags on, the more that folks who remain open to objective evidence on both sides will wonder whether it's truly just unbelievably poor communications and not really a problem with the underlying science.
StephenGloor said:
I think Occam's Razor better applies to the denier case. Do you seriously think that an international conspiracy of climate scientists conspired to present false scientific evidence so that they get huge grants?????? Additionally these scientists where also conspiring with leftist communists to gain a socialist world government!!!!.
To the papers that you refer to that should have been helped through peer review. For a new idea to make it in science like quantum theory it must explain nature better than the old one and be consistant with observations. The papers that did not make it through peer review did not meet these conditions and had basic mistakes in them that were pointed out by the reviewers. Additionally removing the mistakes completely changed the papers and invalidated the conclusions. Not content with working with the climate community to fix the mistakes the authors simply found a journal where the review rules were non existent. They then proceeded to trumpet this as a failure of peer review. What Jones and the others were trying to prevent was flawed science making its way into the IPCC report which is a good idea. If the authors of these papers could make a good case and publish in the conventional media with consistent science then they would be heard. Instead they blog from the sidelines.
What exactly is Phil Jones accused of? Fraud in science - NO. Changing results - NO. Getting the s--ts with McIntryre and frivolous FOI claims - Maybe. Nothing in the emails suggest any fraud or manipulation of the data other then the normal processing in accord with peer reviewed procedures.
Lets have a look at the basic illegality of the emails. Computer cracking is a crime. It is illegal to break into a computer system to obtain data. There is notsuggestion of a whistleblower as the denier machine is trying to spin - this is straight out theft of data. Publishing private emails is also a crime. Instead of vilifying scientists how about to ask serious questions of people who will encourage criminal behavior and use illegally obtained material to further their own false obsessions.
You can question my objectivity all you like however I have been following climate science for many years now. In that time the deniers have managed to delay action on climate science with tactics made famous in the tobacco industry and the recent swiftboating of John Kerry. Some of them have been outright paid for this service that may well stop any effective action.
Sure Phil Jones was stupid to delete emails and encourage others to do the same however in most case where criminals do not operate these exchanges would have and should have remained private. Quite often people converse very differently when they think they are in a secure environment. Have a look at your past emails and think about how some of them could be twisted by people with no morals.
Geoffrey Styles said:
Stephen,
"You have been well and truly swiftboated."
I am many things, but gullible is not one of them. Try applying Occam's Razor to some of the convoluted explanations being offered for why Climategate ought to be treated as a non-event. If you don't have at least a few doubts about what was revealed, then you might question your own objectivity. As for peer review, while I can't speak to the flaws of the papers you mention, it's pretty clear that the goal of the Climategate email authors was not to work collegially with these peers to correct their errors prior to publication, but to block or delay publication. That's politics, not science, even if politics have always gone hand-in-hand with the scientific process behind the scenes.
As for the temperature data, I don't doubt that temperatures read off a mercury thermometer in the late 1800s provide a better gauge of what was going on than the proxies. The point that I was making was that these data, including the much more accurate observations today, must be processed in the manner you describe to come up with a global temperature that relies as much on a long list of assumptions as on the data themselves. That doesn't make the result wrong, but it exposes it to new sources of error.
As I've noted before, for non-scientists climate change must be taken on faith--faith that the science is being done in a fair, above-board fashion. That faith has been shaken, and the solution lies not in a louder repetition of the same assertions, based on the same assumptions, but on undertaking an open and impartial review of the processes that gave rise to those assumptions and assertions. In other words, this is an exercise in crisis communications, and thus a political problem, rather than a scientific one. The longer the climate change community ignores that reality, the likelier this is to blow up in its face.
StephenGloor said:
Geoff - "In addition to calling into question the neutrality of the peer review process that underpins the science upon which the Copenhagen talks and any agreement that comes out of them are based, he provides a hint at the form that future legal challenges to the enforcement of such an agreement,"Nothing could be further from the truth. You have been well and truly swiftboated. The peer review process that Micheals complains about is the same process that kept out papers with such obvious flaws like Douglass et al from the serious science.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/01/peer-review-a-nece...
"Along the way I was surprised to learn how frequently the actual temperature readings are adjusted, interpolated, and in some cases discarded. This involves many assumptions that I'm not qualified to question, though I am left with the conclusion that recent temperature trends fall into much the same category as the pre-measurement historical temperatures reconstructed from proxies such as tree rings"
Again you have got the completely wrong impression and this is the intention of the deniers to decieve the people that may not have a huge grasp of the science. Tree ring proxies are an very indirect method of measing temperatures and are only used when there is nothing else. After 1880 or so calibrated thermometers became available and these have been used ever since and are very accurate. The only problems is that the raw data needs adjustment to cope with differenct data sets. The adjustments are from peer reviewed work and have been available all the time. You posted an article on this blog from Barry Brook of Jim Hansen's letter explaining all this. Barry and I have our differences over nuclear energy however Barry is a top notch climatologist and is an authority and would not publish something that he does not believe in.
Just in case your readers did not get ot here are the article that explains it:
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/12/more-independent-v...
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/12/kim-cobbs-view/
And Jim Hansen's letter
http://www.columbia.edu/%7Ejeh1/mailings/2009/20091216_TemperatureOfScie...
Finally the deniers need to explain what in the CRU emails negate this:
# the surface temperature is not rising
# the Arctic is not warming
# that sea ice extent is not decreasing
# that sea ice is not thinning
# that ocean heat content is not rising
# that the stratosphere is not cooling
# that plant and animal species are not shifting their ranges and/or
their phenological traits, and/or are not suffering from alterations in
their bioclimatic envelopes
# that glacier mass-loss and -retreats are not increasing
# that sea levels are not rising?
eareidjr said:
Robert,
The measuring station should not have been in the UHI at all. Stations should also not be on building and parking structure roofs, between airport runways, near roads and parking lots, at sewage treatment plants, etc. However, most of them are improperly located and/or maintained; and, the data, even if accurate, are non-representative.
Geoff,
The actual raw data must also be evaluated to determine whether it is representative of the climate of the area it was intended to measure.
I also believe it is absolutely essential that all of the steps between DATA and temperature series be documented in writing before the review of the timeseries begins, so that the investigators can assure that the methodologies and assumptions were consistently and objectively applied to all of the data.
Anyone found to have applied the methodologies and assumptions inconsistently or with bias should be "Mann-handled" with a hockey stick while tied to "the tree" in Yamal. :-)
Geoffrey Styles said:
Ed and Robert,
These are reasonable questions, and I think the best way to answer them is in the context of the actual raw data--and I mean all the timeseries, including any that may have been excluded for whatever reason--and a candid and non-hostile conversation about the methodology and all assumptions used for processing them into the global temperature time series we know and love. That should also be accompanied by a serious discussion of measurement error, error propagation and signficant figures. I suspect that when all is said and done the result will still show a secular warming over the last century, more or less correlated to CO2 concentrations, but I'm open to any defensibly and transparently derived result. With the computational resources now available to virtually anyone with the math do to do this, it surely wouldn't take longer than between now and the next Conference of the Parties to nail this down.
Rmoen said:
Anyone interested in how data is adjusted should take a look at http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/ushcn/#urbanizationPlease note that Reno, NV in 1997 & 1998 showed a dip in raw temp data and was adjusted upwards. But why? For those two years the temp station was moved out of the urban heat island (see page 31 at http://www.weather.gov/om/csd/pds/PCU6/IC6_2/tutorial1/PCU6-Unit2.pdf ).
Here's my question: If the dip in temp was the result of moving away from the urban heat island, shouldn't the adjustments be downward, not upward?-- Robert Moen, www.energyplanUSA.com
eareidjr said:
DATA are! They are the readings taken from the field instruments. Once the data are “homogenized”, “adjusted”, “filled in”, folded, bent, spindled and mutilated they become something else. When they are processed through “black boxes” using undisclosed methods, they become “undata”, since their relationship to the DATA is unknown and unknowable. However, they are then deemed fit for inclusion in the “global temperature record”. Such is the state of the foundation upon which the Anthropogenic Global Climate Change hysteria is constructed.
We know how to measure temperature. Accurate temperature measurement is not necessarily easy, but it can be done. NCDC has established criteria for the design, installation and maintenance of surface temperature measuring stations; and, techniques for estimating the measurement error introduced by deviations from the criteria. However, while we know how to measure temperature, we have decided not to do it properly, as has been documented by the Surface Stations Project (www.surfacestations.org). The average US surface temperature measuring station is subject to measurement error =/> 2C. The data collected from these sites is then used to compute temperature anomalies to two decimal place “accuracy”.
Some may refer to this process as “pure science”. It is, at best “impure science”. It appears to me to be more like necromancy.
The concept of investing tens of trillions of dollars based on “data” which isn’t and models which don’t is ludicrous.
JBeckwith said:
“No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right, a single experiment can prove me wrong.” Albert Einstein
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