Shaken Consensus?
Even the most ardent adherents of the view that climate change is real, man-made to a significant extent, and extremely challenging for humanity must agree that the science supporting this perspective has had a rough couple of months--largely deserved. Whatever the "Climategate" emails said about the underlying analytical rigor of the dominant scientific interpretation of global warming, they revealed a worrying degree of defensive groupthink and gatekeeping among leading climate researchers. I'm pleased to see that an independent group has been set up to examine the practices at East Anglia-CRU, though the inquiry has already experienced controversies of its own.
Meanwhile the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), of Nobel Peace Prize fame, is under fire for incorporating unwarranted claims in its reports, including a shockingly sloppy assertion about the rate at which glaciers are disappearing. This has exposed a process that in some instances gave magazine articles and unpublished papers the same credence as peer-reviewed scientific papers in recognized journals. For all the vitriol I see directed against "climate skeptics", the climate change community should accept that these are mainly self-inflicted wounds, and that much of the current public doubt about climate change stems from the unraveling of exaggerated predictions that were expounded without a clear, accompanying explanation of the associated caveats and uncertainties, possibly to promote quicker action by governments.
In contrast, the BBC's interview with Dr. Jones is full of nuances and caveats--though hardly outright retractions, as some have characterized his remarks. I was particularly interested in his comments on the Medieval Warm Period. Although he appears not to have "told the BBC that the world may well have been warmer during medieval times than it is now," he did seem to suggest that we simply don't have sufficient data to determine whether the warming that led to the settlement of Greenland by the Vikings and the cultivation of wine grapes in England was confined to the northern hemisphere or global in extent. Instead of prompting an assumption that it wasn't global, this gap in our knowledge ought to galvanize the urgent gathering and correlation of paleoclimate data--samples of the kinds of proxies used to assess temperatures before instruments to measure them (or people to read the instruments) existed. That's because this isn't a quibble over some esoteric bit of history, but a crucial gauge of just how unprecedented the warming of the past several decades has been.
Then there's the temperature data itself. Although Dr. Jones concurred that global warming since 1995 has just missed being statistically significant, the data from the CRU and similar data from NASA do show that on average the last decade was warmer than the 1990s, which were in turn warmer than the 1980s. Despite all the talk of global cooling, the last two years still easily make the top 10 list for warmest years of the last century, and global temperatures currently average about 0.8 °F warmer than in the 1970s. But that doesn't mean that there aren't problems here, as well. Dr. Jones referred the BBC to a map of the weather stations providing the global temperature data compiled by the UK's Met Office (the national weather service) and processed by the CRU. It reveals such measurements to be very dense in the developed countries of the temperate zones and quite thin on the ground--or sea--in the tropics and the high latitudes that account for much of the earth's surface. And even the historical temperature data for the US are still subject to significant revisions, as I noticed yesterday when I rechecked the comparison between 1998 and 1934 than I wrote about several years ago.
So where does this leave us? From my perspective it requires us to think about the definition of a successful scientific theory as one that provides the best explanation for the evidence we see--even if that evidence is incomplete, as seems to be the case here. The fact that some scientists seem to have behaved badly or that others--mostly non-scientists--have promoted alarming-but-uncertain predictions as proven and now have egg on their faces doesn't alter the fact that "anthropogenic global warming" (AGW) based on greenhouse gas emissions still seems to explain more of what we observe going on than any other theory at this point. Hypotheses such as the one attributing warming to the influence of cosmic rays on cloud formation must go through a great deal more vetting before supplanting AGW.
While considerable progress has been made in the last decade solidifying the evidence supporting the AGW theory, significant uncertainty still remains about the future consequences it suggests, particularly as relates to regional impacts and changes in precipitation. A lot more also needs to be done to clarify the relationship between proxy data and instrumental temperature data, and to ensure that the latter are consistent and truly representative. However, I don't see these deficiencies as justifying complete policy paralysis, particularly when it comes to those actions that can be accomplished relatively cheaply, such as improved energy efficiency, or that offer substantial benefits for other concerns such as energy security, including expanding nuclear power, low-cost renewable energy, and R&D to bring down the cost of other renewables. As for whether the time is right to pursue more comprehensive measures, there's a legitimate debate to be had, but it shouldn't start from the false assumption that anthropogenic global warming has been disproved.
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Geoffrey Styles said:
Roger,
"I am not really interested in any further attempt to argue you out of your optimism."
My views on this subject are the result of three decades of thought and analysis. While they've certainly evolved over that interval, they're not going to be upended by a brief exchange following a blog posting. I respect your views and the time you've taken to lay them out clearly, but it would take a heck of a lot more than the arguments above to get me on board with them.
RogerBrown said:
"I'd argue that such a course is at least as worthy of consideration, rather than off-hand dismissal, as a future based on steadily diminishing horizons or civilizational stasis."
Geoff,I am not really interested in any further attempt to argue you out of your optimism. However, the dichotomy you present between economic growth and civilization stasis or worse is, in my view, a false dichotomy. Ancient Greece was one of the most intellectually and artistically vital cultures that ever existed, but the measure of its productivity was neither the volume of trade nor the volume of manufacturing that it carried out. There is more in heaven and earth that is dreamt of in your philosophy of economic vitality.
Geoffrey Styles said:
Roger,
Sorry if my response seemed overly terse and cryptic, but then your subsequent reply wasn't exactly gauged to elicit further discourse. I clearly should have waited until I had time to respond at appropriate length rather than squeezing it in, or simply left things there.
What I was trying to get at is that over the near-to-mid term we have little choice but to treat the global economy as a closed system in material terms, though not energy terms as you note. If it remained closed in the long term, then your concerns about the limits to exponential growth would be perfectly valid, and at some point probably become the default planning basis. However, if the system remains closed, growth could be the least of our concerns over a longer time span (species time, rather than personal lifetimes: centuries to millennia). We would eventually face multiple extinction threats, not just from extreme climate change. However, there is no reason to believe it must remain closed beyond the next few decades. We live in a solar system of abundant resources, and there are no physical laws that prevent us from capitalizing on them in due course. (Your hyperbolic response about "hyperspace fleets" was at least as silly as you apparently considered my remark about trends ending.) If the US loses interest is these opportunities, I'm sure that other countries won't. I'd argue that such a course is at least as worthy of consideration, rather than off-hand dismissal, as a future based on steadily diminishing horizons or civilizational stasis.
RogerBrown said:
Geoff,
I have read a number of your posts and, outside of the limits to growth issue, I regard you as one of the most intelligent and open minded contributers to this site. However, on the limits to growth issue you seem completely closed minded to me. You say that you do not have time to respond in detail to mind postings, but in fact you have not responded substantively to a single point that I have raised. In your first response you accused me of operating on unexamined assumptions. I told you what my assumptions were, but instead of explaining why you believe they are wrong or what additional unspoken assumptions that you think I am making you respond with a silly remark like "The trend is your friend until the end." Without a doubt limits to growth is not an issue until it is, but an intelligent person will make some attempt to anticipate the time of its ripening. If you do not want to take time to discuss these issues I will not complain, but in the future you should not issue criticisms of other people thought processes unless you are willing to spend some time and intellectual energy backing up those criticisms.
Geoffrey Styles said:
Roger,
I wish I had the time to respond in detail. Rest assured I wasn't trying to put any subject off-limits, other than by practical constraints on the time I devote to this venue. However, I'll take it as a given that you haven't read any of my other postings, or my background, or you wouldn't so cavalierly and condescendingly assume I am ignorant of these other issues, or trivialize the points I was raising, however briefly. If you didn't understand them, perhaps your assumptions aren't as fully examined as you think.
RogerBrown said:
Geoff,
I realize that I should leave you to your ignorant bliss, since it is clear that no amount of logical argument will dislodge you from it, but the incredible amount silliness and logical inconstency that you have manged to pack into one short paragraph deserves some comment.
"Trends that can't continue, won't."
I actually like this quote, but its use in the present context is inappropriate. Discussing whether or not human atmospheric emissions are causing global climate chanage is a legitimate subject for discussion, but discussing whether or not fossil fuel depletion is going to limit economic growth is not? I do not see any logical thought process here, just wishful thinking.
Given that fact that oil production is at or near peak and natural gas and coal peaks may very well be reached within the next fifty years, not to mention the fact that climate change may make it desirable for coal use to peak relatively soon, one might think that consideration of the impacts of this depletion on the potential for continued economic growth might be worthwhile subject for discusssion.
"The trend is your friend until it ends."
China is currently getting rich by burning lot of coal in very dirty power plants. Should a discussion the long term implications of coal use be off limits until such time as China stops getting richer?
"Applied to the global economy, this is the old "Limits to Growth" argument, and it's right as long as the system remains closed."
The "oldness" of the limits to growth argument is irrelevant. Either it is right or it is wrong. If it is right, then either it is near or it is far. If you have reason to believe that it is far off based on something other than "It's frightening to think so, and I don't like being frightened" then trot out your evidence.
I do not understand what you are implying by your "as long as the system remains closed" remark. Are you suggesting that we should build a hyperspace fleet and send the entire population of the earth off to the far reaches of the galaxy? If so we need to get busy on fleet construction before limits to growth hits.
By the way the earth is not a closed system. The sun has provided a continuous (but not growing ) external source of high quality energy for the entire lifetime of the planet. That is why life has been able to survive, flourish, and develop for the better part of four billion years in spite of the second law of thermodynamics. However, no one species has ever been able to continously increase its share of consumption of the net productivity of the biosphere for indefinite periods of time, and the human race is not going to be an exception. The choice before us is not to grow or die, it is to adapt or die.
"In the long run--species time--that assumption must either be broken or we will find ourselves taken out by a comet, or a plague, or something other than resource exhaustion and heat pollution (and here I'm not referring to climate change, but to the need for every device doing work to have a heat sink.)"
I cannot intelligently respond to this sentence since I have no idea what you are trying to say.
"Much depends on the shape of the demographic curve, too"
There are already 6.8 billion people on the earth. Exponentially growing incomes for this number of people still faces limits to growth issues in a finite world. Standards of living will depend upon the demographic curve, but the necessity of evenutally finding some other outlet for our creative energies other than selling more stuff this year than we sold last year does not.
eareidjr said:
Geoff,
I recently read a new (to me) version of the simplified statement of the Laws of Thermodynamics which seems germane here:
1) You can't win.
2) You can't break even.
3) you can't leave the game.
I loved the Herb Stein quote.
Geoffrey Styles said:
"Trends that can't continue, won't." (Herb Stein) Or as an old colleague of mine use to day, "The trend is your friend until it ends." Applied to the global economy, this is the old "Limits to Growth" argument, and it's right as long as the system remains closed. In the long run--species time--that assumption must either be broken or we will find ourselves taken out by a comet, or a plague, or something other than resource exhaustion and heat pollution (and here I'm not referring to climate change, but to the need for every device doing work to have a heat sink.) Much depends on the shape of the demographic curve, too.RogerBrown said:
"That comment incorporates a number of assumptions, at least some of them likely unexamined."
It involves the following two assumptions:
1. The resource base which supports human economic activity is finite.
2. Dematerialization of economic output (i.e. greater manufacturing efficiency, the service economy, the information economy and so forth) cannot support indefinite expansion of economic output. If energy and material flows through the economy reach limiting rates and further economic growth proceeds via dematerialization at a rate of 2% per year, then a trivial calculation will show that in a time period that is short compared to the lifetime of the human species the energy expended in a single flap of a butterfly's wings will have to produce an economic output equivalent to the entire present yearly global output in order to maintain a 2% growth rate.
In order for greater efficiency to power economic growth dematerized services must be traded for dematerialized services. And the competition must be for greater quality, since one human being cannot continuously absorb exponentially greater amounts of total services or information. I give you a better a better backrub, you sing me a better song, and generations of venture capitalists get rich financing this activity. Not. The best you can hope for is what Saint Augustine hoped for "Please make me chaste, O Lord, but not yet."
I have spent a lot of time and energy over the past few year thinking about the assumptions made by conventional economics. It may be that the alternative assumptions which I have made are incorrect, but I assure you that they are not unexamined.
Geoffrey Styles said:
Roger,
"The ultimate need for such a transition can be understood in a half a minute's thought by an unprejudiced mind."
That comment incorporates a number of assumptions, at least some of them likely unexamined. Where I agree completely is that this all boils down to risk and our approach to managing it.
eareidjr said:
Roger,
I would argue that it is important to decide what the objective is, before developing a plan to achieve it. There is a difference in the objective, and would be a difference in the plan to achieve the objective, between a 50% global carbon emissions reduction by 2050 and Bill Gates' "zero by 2050" and "350".
I would argue that the plan would be different if the objective were to assure "leaving some amount of economically useful fossil carbon in the ground", as opposed to reducing the annual emissions of anthropogenic carbon or creating a new federal revenue stream.
I would also argue that the plan would be different if it were national in scope, as opposed to global.
"You've got to be careful, if you don't know where you're going, because you might end up someplace else.", Yogi Berra
Also, in the wake of "Climategate":
"When you come to a fork in the road, take it.", Yogi Berra
Don't begin vast programs with half-vast ideas.
RogerBrown said:
"Nor should it start from the false assumption that anthropogenic global warming has been proven."
The issue is not proof, but level of risk. If you are attacked and bitten by a stray dog you do not wory about whether the probability that he was rabid was 10% or 90%; You just get the damned shots. Of course in the case of rabies shots the inconvenience is temporary and the probability of prevention of the disease is high. In the case of reducing carbon emissions the disturbance to the economy may be large and success is uncertain. Because the residence of CO2 in the atmosphere is long merely reducing the CO2 intensity of various economic activities is not sufficient. We need to insure that large pools of fossil carbon remain permanently in the ground, thus requiring the actual abandoment of fossil fuel use in the intermdiate term. People who believe that abandoment on this time scale cannot be accomplished in the context of constantly a growing global economy are, in my view, correct.
However, I am still in favor of leaving some amount of economically useful fossil carbon in the ground for two reasons in addtion to the possible risk of climate change which I am inclined to believe is not negligible. First, sooner or later we are going to have to learn to live without fossil carbon as an energy source. The sooner we start heading in that direction the better. Second, sooner or later we are going to have to shift the emphasis of our economy from sales volumes to consumption efficiency. The ultimate need for such a transition can be understood in a half a minute's thought by an unprejudiced mind. Of course one can always hope that the necessity for economic maturity will be shunted off onto a later generation, but in the long run either we learn ecological responsibility or we accept spectacular civilizational collapses as an inevitable part of the human condition.
eareidjr said:
"As for vetting the data and models, who could disagree with that?"
The "Team" could and did for a number of years.
AGW theory has also effectively blocked access to funding for competing theories, as the result of the efforts of the "Team".
Maybe now we can get serious about dispassionate scientific evaluation of the issues.
Geoffrey Styles said:
Ed,
"Nor should it start from the false assumption that anthropogenic global warming has been proven."
I wouldn't say proven, though I do see it as the default theory to beat. I'm old enough to recall when the Big Bang theory had serious competition, at least from the Steady State theory. Would astrophysicists today say that the Big Bang is proven, or that its competitors failed to explain even a fraction as much of the universe we observe?
As for vetting the data and models, who could disagree with that?
eareidjr said:
" As for whether the time is right to pursue more comprehensive measures, there's a legitimate debate to be had, but it shouldn't start from the false assumption that anthropogenic global warming has been disproved."
Nor should it start from the false assumption that anthropogenic global warming has been proven.
It should start with an objective analysis of the quality of the raw data from which the global average temperature record has been constructed; and, of the reasonableness of the manipulations which have been performed on that data before it was used to construct the global average temperature record. That should be followed, or paralleled, by an objective evaluation of the validity and effective predictive scope of the various climate models currently in use. Any model which cannot run without human intervention should be repaired or rejected.
It is also time for the climate change community to take a single, unambiguous position regarding the lower global annual carbon emissions rate which must be achieved to stabilize global atmospheric carbon concentrations. Other issues regarding clear and careful communication are listed here:http://www.theenergycollective.com/TheEnergyCollective/58333
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