"Carbon Debt"
It was always going to be tricky reconciling the competing interests of the developed and developing worlds sufficiently to craft a new global climate agreement to replace the expiring Kyoto Protocol. In addition to large differences in per-capita wealth and income, many of the main players fall into one of two key categories: countries with large historical and current emissions of GHGs that are now moderating or even decreasing, and countries with relatively much smaller historical emissions but large and/or rapidly-growing current emissions. The nature of the cumulative climate impact of these GHGs makes that distinction a crucial one and the source of much rancorous debate. I've been thinking about the resulting issues of equity for some time, but I am extremely concerned by the turn that I see the negotiating process that started in Bali two years ago having taken.
The UNFCC doesn't make it easy to follow what's going on. Of all things it took a visit to a climate change skeptic's website to track down a reasonably current version of the negotiating draft that is being prepared for consideration in Copenhagen. That enabled me to locate the document on the UN site once I had its file name. Having scanned through it for references to carbon debt, I can see why they might have wanted to make it hard to find, since the principles embodied there are bound to strike most Americans as at least counter-intuitive. For starters, the notion of carbon debt is introduced early in the draft as a "guiding principle of the Convention", and described as, "historical responsibilities in greenhouse gas emissions and the related historical ecological debt generated by the cumulative greenhouse gas emissions since 1750 and the most recent scientific information." That word "debt" crops up many times in the document, with repeated references to the "emissions debt", "historical climate debt" and "adaptation debt" that developed countries "owe" to developing ones.
Lest you think that this is merely intended as an abstraction governing philosophical discussions of equity, the document makes it abundantly clear that this is about money and who shall pay whom. One of several examples in the text puts this in admirably concrete terms:
"Developed country Parties shall provide financial resources and transfer technology to developing country Parties to make full and effective repayment of climate debt, including adaptation debt, taking responsibility for their historical cumulative emissions and current high per capita emissions."
Unfortunately, as I noted in a lengthy posting on this topic a year-and-a-half ago, matters aren't nearly as clear-cut as this wording suggests. While the consequences of many decades' worth of emissions of CO2 and other long-lived GHGs certainly appear to be putting an unfair burden on developing countries, it would be equally unfair to the citizens of developed countries to tax them for emissions that occurred before the scientific consensus on global warming emerged in the last couple of decades. Arrhenius may have worked out that CO2 could warm the planet a century ago, but the relative importance of that effect amidst the many complex factors influencing the climate was anything but obvious then, and it is still not fully understood. It makes no more sense to burden modern Europeans and Americans for the emissions of our parents, grandparents, and great-to-the-nth grandparents going back 10 generations than it does to tax modern Chinese, Indians and Brazilians for the entire edifice of Western technology that has enabled their present and future development.
We are all in this together, and the only emissions we have control over are those that occur from here on out. Having said that, it's clear that without some recognition that developing countries didn't create this problem--no matter how much they might be contributing to it now--there will be no deal in Copenhagen. The only viable middle ground I see, if not from the standpoint of the inter-governmental delegations, then for the citizenry they represent, would be to recognize the disparities in historical emissions but impose an effective statute of limitations on them. No emissions prior to the establishment of the Framework Convention on Climate Change at the Second Earth Summit at Rio de Janeiro in 1992 should be counted for purposes of allocating emission targets or financial assistance. While such a compromise would greatly diminish the imputed carbon debt of the developed world and allocate a bigger portion of it to large developing countries like China and Indonesia--particularly when changes in forestry and land-use are factored in--it would hardly let the rich world off the hook. The countries of the OECD have collectively emitted on the order of 200 billion tons of CO2-equivalent GHGs since then--roughly half the world's total emissions in that interval.
It would be tragic if the Copenhagen climate conference could only arrive at a new global agreement on emissions by relying on a principle that American voters would ultimately find as unacceptable as the allocation of national emission-reduction targets in the Kyoto Protocol. It is challenging enough for our elected representatives to attempt to match federal tax revenues to our existing obligations, foreign and domestic. I can't imagine any President or Congress wanting to explain to the electorate--particularly with so many of them already exercised over growing deficits and the current tax burden--why they must pay higher taxes to send carbon-debt payments to some of the same countries that are competing for our jobs and industries, on the basis that previous generations of Americans put more CO2 into the atmosphere than past generations of Chinese, Indians and Brazilians. That sounds like political suicide to me.
Link to original post
Other Posts by Geoffrey Styles
E15's Problems Are Symptomatic of A Failing Biofuels Policy - May 22, 2012
Are Chesapeake's Problems A Red Flag For Shale Gas? - May 17, 2012
Where Gas is Already $10 per Gallon - May 9, 2012
Resources from Space? - May 4, 2012
US Natural Gas Price Nears $10 per Barrel Equivalence - April 30, 2012
» Already a member? Login now to comment!
» Not a member? Register to comment!
eareidjr said:
No nation which is investing in the infrastructure to reduce emissions should be obligated to provide any funds to any nation which is still investing in the infrastructure to increase emissions.
Geoffrey Styles said:
It isn't necessary to fear that a new global climate deal would lead to world government--a red herring, in my view--to see that the notion of the OECD paying "carbon debt" to the developing world puts the whole issue on an unhelpfully-divisive basis of blame, rather than promoting a spirit of all of us being in this together. I have no doubt that we will need to help poorer countries adapt to a changing climate, which if the scientific consensus is correct looks inevitable no matter what we do. But I do object to paying our economic rivals to adopt technology that will benefit them and make them more competitive. We certainly don't owe them that.EdSavage said:
Geoff,
I felt I needed to post something having read your blog. Your writing is very informative. Thanks.
I am not a climate official but I am a civil engineer and also have a enough education in history to feel I need to add something to the discussion.
This 'carbon debt' implies some form of exchange needs to take place. Quite often, those who are most energized about this scheme are in-fact poised to profit from the exchange, like a stock broker. As we call know, most common brokers don't really represent what is good for you, fore they realize their reward when money is transferred. They are payed when you gain or loose money. Similarly, people like Al Gore pose as someone who is driving for climate health, but in fact he is pushing solutions that require mechanisms that he gets a stipend from. Anyone with the capacity for critical thinking can discern that there is a new international trade market being set up to tax the air. The frenzy being stirred up to make this happen is supported by those who are emotionally energized. I am old enough to remember this happening in the 70's. I am old enough to know that if you don't have a way to get in a closed market, you have to make a new one.
I am not sure how real the climate change thing is, but I am sure how phony these people are who 'represent us' and are in fact seated at the table or right behind the guy at the table.
Signing what appears to be in this Copenhagen Agreement is equivalent to agreeing to enforcement of collection of taxes, to be levied later.
Am I the only one who sees this collectivism development and what this will lead to in short order?
RobertArmstrong said:
Dear AlexYou can make all the rational arguments you want concerning the justice of "carbon debt." Unfortunately you will simply be feeding more Rush Limbaugh rants. And after Rush gets through with his rants actually doing anything about climate change will be dead. The worst thing we can do as far as doing anything about climate change is concerned is make it look like climate change is simply a front for extreme left wing politics. And any discussion concerning the forced exchange of wealth from rich developed nations to poor less developed ones will be attacked as extreme left wing political action.
Geoffrey Styles said:
alex,
There are numerous holes in that logic, not least that there is little else on earth that is "shared equally between all people". That assertion takes this argument out of the realm of policy and into politics and political systems. While I certainly have opinions on it, it's beyond the scope of my blog.
RobertArmstrong said:
Today the climate bill was reported from its Senate committee without a single Republican vote. The Republicans were not even present. A United Nations decision that developed countries owe under developed countries for their use of the atmosphere to dump CO2 will put an end to what little bi-partisan effort there is on doing anything about climate change. An agreement based on an obviously political agenda is the same as doing nothing about climate change. Such an agreement faces the same fate as Kyoto.Geoffrey Styles said:
Ed,
The worst-case outcome is not doing nothing about climate change; it's implementing an agreement, based on such principles, that contorts the global economy in pursuit of a political agenda, yet accomplishes little to reduce actual emissions, thus leaving us with the underlying problem but less resilience in adapting to its impact.
eareidjr said:
It is long past time to decide whether the goal is to pay off some ill-defined "carbon debt" and achieve some ill-defined "carbon equity; or, to reduce global annual carbon emissions in an effort to avoid an impending global climactic cataclysm.
I am sure the bureaucrats would be much happier sitting in five star hotels counting the number of angels on the head of a pin; or, more accurately, arguing over the validity of their estimates of the number of angels which could occupy the head of a pin.
The scientists, on the other hand, would argue that the important issue is halting the increase in global annual emissions, followed by reductions in global annual emissions until atmospheric concentrations stabilize.
If AGW is driving us toward a climactic cataclysm, the scientists' approach could potentially avoid the cataclysm. The bureaucrats' approach, on the other hand, might assure that we all suffer equally on the way to being equally dead, which we would all ultimately be anyway.
-
Baby You Can Drive My (Electric) Car
Posted May 11, 2012 by Scott Edward Anderson
-
Siemens develops ABS plastic alternative
Posted May 9, 2012 by Doris de Guzman
-
Reduce CO2 and Slow Global Warming?
Posted April 30, 2012 by Willem Post
-
WGC 2012 - 25th World Gas Conference
June 4, 2012, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
-
Ecwatech 2012
June 4, 2012, Moscow, Russia
-
Intersolar Europe
June 11, 2012, Munich, Germany
Scott Edward Anderson is a consultant, blogger, and media commentator who blogs at The Green Skeptic. More »
Marc Gunther is a writer, speaker and consultant, who focuses on business and the environment. More »
Christine Hertzog is a consultant, author, and a professional explainer focused on Smart Grid. More »
Jesse Jenkins is the director of energy and climate policy at the Breakthrough Institute. More »
Robert Rapier works in the energy industry and writes and speaks about energy and the environment. More »
Geoffrey Styles is Managing Director of GSW Strategy Group, LLC and an award-winning blogger. More »
Dan Yurman is a nuclear energy blogger and writes regularly for Fuel Cycle Week. More »
The Energy Collective
- YOU
- Rod Adams
- Scott Edward Anderson
- Charles Barton
- Barry Brook
- Dick DeBlasio
- Simon Donner
- Big Gav
- Michael Giberson
- James Greenberger
- Lou Grinzo
- Marc Gunther
- Tyler Hamilton
- Christine Hertzog
- David Hone
- Jesse Jenkins
- Lynne Kiesling
- Sonita Lontoh
- Jesse Parent
- Vicky Portwain
- Tom Raftery
- Robert Rapier
- Joseph Romm
- Robert Stavins
- Robert Stowe
- Geoffrey Styles
- Alex Trembath
- Gernot Wagner
- John Whitehead
- Dan Yurman

About Social Media Today




