Perhaps as you’ve done your research into going solar, you’ve heard mention of the so-called “Smart Grid” and the challenges and opportunities it presents. Such a broad term can be confusing, however (and perhaps even bring to mind visions of a Terminator-esque future). So we’ll give you the low down on the Smart Grid, and how an investment in a solar powered home will make you a part of the next generation of electricity users.
Solar Power and the Smart Grid
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RickEngebretson said:
Thanks Stephen, your insights are important to me. But Charles is important too, the US is full of renewable energy frauds.
I use SuSE9.0 Linux with the ICEWindowManager. It has monitoring boxes that tell me memory usage, CPU, network activity, and other info. Some linux vaiants are real time, some browsers like lynx are character based in an xterm window. Internally, Linux (Unix) has signals, semaphores, messages, Unix sockets and many other features that make it an interesting controller Operating System. So I look at the meter in the picture as a joke.
I would trust an ammeter more than that box pictured. We desperately need participation by people like you (Australia is full of electronics gurus). Charles is partly right to challenge some of the quack energy science being sold in the US.
StephenGloor said:
Rick - "I would trust an ammeter more than that box pictured."
The box pictured may not be the smart controller I am thinking of however pictures can be deceiving. Our CSIRO has a few things in the fire and is where I got the information about the smart fridge controllers. However there are many groups working in the same space.
http://www.csiro.au/news/ps1d2.html
Unfortunately subsidies and public money tend to attract the quacks and pork barrellers. In Australia we are wasting money on clean coal rather then grid updates. Our government is controlled by the coal and aluminium lobby.
RickEngebretson said:
Thanks again, Stephen. I'll follow your lead.
If someone is installing an expensive power system they deserve a reasonable interface. All I see in the picture is a digital readout, presumably controlled by the utility that handles all the cash. That should raise some questions.
Government policy comes and goes, but I think the global clean energy movement will persist. How much calamity can we take? People are rightly scared and angry.
I see innovation almost everywhere. That's why I like your posts, you put innovation first.
StephenGloor said:
The point of the smart grid is to empower devices connected to the AC grid to make decisions about whether switch on or not based on a set of rules. It is not a central authority sending out signals to turn devices on a off remotely. That is what we have now and while it works it cannot take into account local settings and preferences.
A hypothetical scenerio could be that I have a large industrial refrigerator that has a smart controller. It will have a set point say 5degC that it cannot go over. However I set through the controllers web page that it can go down to 2deg without spoiling the contents. I also would set that I would like it to save me money wherever it can. So at any given time the controller would check via the internet or dedicated network what the power situation is. Lets say there is a current surplus of wind. In this case because I have said that the fridge can go down to 2 deg and energy is cheap at the moment the controller will take the fridge down to 2 deg as this will save money because it may be able to avoid going on at a peak time. In this way spread over thousands or millions of devices the surplus wind will be absorbed in cooler fridges. Later on when a lull occurs the same fridges will check and see that energy is very costly at the moment however, as they are at 2deg they can stay off for say 4 hours maximum. Note that the only criteria is cost. The fridge owner can be the greatest climate skeptic ever and not do this because of hippy greenie reasons but hard headed business reasons as this will save money. The hippy greenies will also benefit as these sort of devices can switch off and on in response to renewable energy peaks and troughs and smooth out the variations. There are many other devices that turning on is optional. Non-optional devices like baby humidi-cribs etc and the other examples ludicrously cited by nuclear advocates will not be switched off and on.
Given that we need grid upgrades it is desirable in my opinion to move to more decentralised power generation. For some unknown reason it has been acceptable in the past to build huge transmission lines to places like Broken Hill in the center of NSW so that they can access centralised coal power from Sydney or Melbourne but the converse, to bring solar energy from Broken Hill to Sydney, is met with scorn and derision. I am sure there are similar examples in the USA. Additionally the power quality and reliability from these distant power sources is sometimes extremely bad. One town is Western Australia was begging the state government to build a renewable project near them so that they could have access to 'reliable' power as their 'reliable' coal power from Perth was so flaky with brownouts occuring on a daily basis that they could not do business.
Finally demand management is an integral part of the "reliable" nuclear/coal present grid as it stands today. In emergencies large loads pay less for their electricity on the understanding that they can be disconnected if there is a major failure or problem. Despite Charles Barton attempting to claim that smart grids are only required for "unreliable" solar power they will assist ANY form of generation with more widespread and intelligent load management rather than the really dumb form it take today.
RickEngebretson said:
Charles, this is where your nuclear advocacy fails. A great freight train needs a great set of rails. The utilities can invest in nuclear upgrades, fuels management, and grid improvements, but, apparently they want subsidies. I am against subsidies because it doesn't seem to reward solutions anymore.
I raised 3 girls in rural Minnesota where we expect blizzards with -30F and 2 feet of snow. We are buried in an ice pack for 4 months, yet have tropical summers. The grocery store is 12 miles away. Energy security is not a theory or policy, it is viability of our lives. So I make choices based on market options.
I am very impressed with new energy options and am adapting to these opportunities in many ways. I understand your frustration with the big talkers. But I'm pouring concrete for a large energy project, and my daughter emailed some stuff from Oxford. I simply want a suitable interface with my utility and don't appreciate all the BS.
CharlesBarton said:
Nothing, and certainly not a smart grid, substitutes for a reliable electrical source. As a tool to manage the unreliability of renewables, smart grid is only a weak second preference at best. Reliable generation sources with an average IQ grid will do the job better any day. If grid upgrades are desirable, and no doubt they are, it is better to start by replacing existing, substandard grid infrastructure where most customers are, rather than building fancy new high tension lines out in the middle of the desert. Solar + smart grie = a huge waste of money and not grid reliability.
RickEngebretson said:
I strongly agree with much of your post. But question other parts. I hope Stephen Gloor joins this topic with his thoughts on computer networks and energy.
First, modernizing the grid is the challenge and opportunity you describe.
But few know how to to it. My utility is as confused as I am. I worry that lowest common denominator thinking (politics) will prevail.
My thinking is shaped by my experience, it is my best reference, others have theirs, and I respect theirs. In the early days of computer networks there was a hub controlling the network exchanges; a "star network." With the advent of ICs some chips could be set to identify their numeric address and a bus network (or "ethernet) developed as a "peer to peer network." Intelligent terminals emerged implementing both "client" and "server." I think that is what many are seeking for distributed energy integration. BTW, utilities might like the internet profit model.
How do we make this enormous change? It seems that tapping into the pervasive AC grid will never be easy, safe or cheap. Some DC local access for consumers seems better than a "smart meter." My guess is near term savings in DC will help pay for a lot of conversion. AC is very lossy from house to house, and most consumer electronics prefer DC. An office complex, shopping mall, apartment building, or industrial park seem likely good starting facilities (prehaps "green buildings").
Anyway, I do agree with your emphasis on the subject.
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