How can you not love T. Boone Pickens? Here's someone who made his fortune in oil, and now he's advising us to switch major parts of the US economy to wind and natural gas. And unlike some of the other concepts for taking a big bite out of our oil consumption, his current idea actually stands a chance of making a significant difference on a timescale of years, rather than decades. At the same time, however, Mr. Pickens has sometimes been a tad bit less than accurate with the numbers he uses to make his points. Remember those ads about the $700 billion per year we were sending overseas to buy oil? Even at its absolute peak in July 2008, reality was more like $500 billion, and the total for 2008 ended up around $385 billion, based on net imports and the average refiner acquisition cost for the year. That's hardly peanuts, but it's roughly half his cited figure. So let's take a look at the key numbers behind his proposal to convert long-distance trucking to natural gas. It's a great idea, though not quite as much of an economic slam-dunk as it might seem when he describes it.
I just finished reading the interview with Mr. Pickens in The American Spectator, published yesterday. The big shift in the Pickens Plan since the first time I examined it in detail is that he has switched his emphasis from using wind to free up natural gas to replace gasoline in cars, to using the abundant natural gas from our enormous shale gas reserves, which are already transforming the US gas and power markets, to replace diesel fuel in big-rig trucks. He is also in the process of lining up the legislative support to nudge this along much faster than market forces alone would. But does it make as much sense as he suggests when he talks about using $4.50 worth of natural gas to replace 7 gallons of diesel fuel at $3 per gallon?
Strictly in energy terms, that 7 gallons might even be a bit low. A million BTUs of gas (roughly 1,000 cubic feet or one MCF) would deliver as much energy to a truck as 7.8 gallons of diesel. And fundamentally, he's right that the recent price relationship between natural gas and crude oil makes gas a tremendous bargain, BTU for BTU. However, the prices he mentions in the Spectator interview constitute an apples vs. oranges comparison from both sides. Even if natural gas remained at a steady $4.50/MCF at the wellhead for the next 20 years, which seems unlikely despite the bounties of shale, that's not what you'd pay at the natural gas pump.
Start with the fact that it costs something to transport gas from the wellhead, wherever that might be, to market. Based on current pricing relationships, if gas starts out at $4.50, then by the time it's sold to a commercial account, which is probably how filling stations would be classified, it could cost as much as $9. And someone has to invest in the equipment to compress it to 3,000 or 3,600 psi and pump it into an 18-wheeler's tanks. Even with tax credits to help, a station owner will need to make a return on that investment, and some profit, too. Add another buck an MCF to cover that, and we're up to $10/MCF, which equates to $1.28/gal. of diesel. For a reality check on this, I took a look at cngprices.com, which shows the locations and pricing for stations selling compressed natural gas (CNG) for vehicles around the country, expressed in dollars per gasoline-equivalent-gallon (GGE). Prices range from roughly $1.25 to around $2, with a few outliers over $3. Since a GGE contains about 10% less energy than a gallon of diesel, you'd have to bump these prices up by about 10% to get the equivalent for a fair comparison.
Under $2 is still pretty cheap, but you shouldn't compare that to the $2.90/gal average retail price of diesel this week. The latter includes federal excise tax of $0.244/gal. and state excise and sales taxes that range from $0.08-0.49/gal. and average $0.281/gal. As best I can tell, CNG is taxed at the federal gasoline tax rate of $0.183/gal., while states seem to tax it to a much lesser extent than gasoline and diesel, as for example the $0.085/gal rate in Utah, compared to their state fuels tax of $0.245/gal. However, this is only viable as long as demand for CNG is tiny, relative to other fuels. If Mr. Pickens succeeds in displacing large quantities of diesel with CNG, then it will either need to carry a similar tax burden, or the lost revenues must be collected in some other fashion. If you strip out the taxes to get to an apples-to-apples price to compare diesel to CNG, it works out to around $2.50, give or take a dime or two, depending on location. So while CNG is still clearly cheaper than diesel, it's rarely $1/gal. cheaper on a truly comparable basis. This, together with conversion costs as high as the $65,000 per truck that Mr. Pickens cited, might explain why market forces alone haven't led to a rapid switch to CNG-fueled transport.
I've looked at the House bill containing the natural gas vehicle tax credits mentioned in the interview. It would cover as much as 80% of the incremental cost (over the diesel version) of a truck that can only burn CNG or LNG, up to $80,000, depending on weight. It would also extend the $0.50/GGE tax credit for CNG and LNG through 2027. These changes would drastically shorten the payout of an investment in a natural gas-powered truck, even if the per-gallon advantage of CNG appears to be somewhat less than Mr. Pickens suggests. That could move CNG into the truck-fuel market pretty quickly.
The remaining question is what the $7 billion investment Mr. Pickens wants the government to make in this proposition would buy us. He believes that converting the US heavy truck fleet to CNG would save 2.5 million bbl/day of diesel, or about two-thirds of the diesel and heating oil now sold in the US. That would have a much bigger impact on our oil imports than ethanol, although it's hardly an either/or proposition. I'm surprised that Mr. Pickens didn't go on to suggest that this benefit could be leveraged further by utilizing the resulting surplus diesel in diesel automobiles. Given their approximately 30% improvement in fuel economy vs. comparable gasoline vehicles, that could save an additional 750,000 bbl/day of gasoline, while reducing greenhouse gas emissions on those cars by about 20%. If you play all this out, then just under 5 trillion cubic feet per year of natural gas, or less than a quarter of current gas production, could save more than 3 million bbl/day of gasoline and diesel, or nearly a third of our net petroleum imports.
That sounds like a pretty good deal for $7 billion, though it could be made even better if the vehicle tax credits involved were converted into low-interest loans and loan guarantees, instead. If the main impediment to switching to gas is the up-front cost of natural gas conversions and the time involved in recouping that cost, then let's make it much easier for truckers to borrow the money for this purpose, and for banks to lend to them. Giving everyone taxpayer money to induce them to do what we want makes a lot more sense when the government has plenty of money to spend. With the US running large deficits and the private sector holding lots of cash earning next to nothing, we should use our tax dollars as efficiently as possible to achieve the same outcome. Otherwise, Mr. Pickens seems to be on to a sensible idea, and I wish him luck selling it.
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Will Foster said:
Let us consider another scenario. What if the Nat Gas was used in Pico Turbines to generate electricity for Cars, Heavy Trucks and to replace Heating Oil in Homes. We would have Efficiency, Range and Power for Transportation. Tesla, Leaf(Toyota) and more are already setting up Electric Cars and we would eliminate the big weight, toxicity and tech hurdles of Batteries. Distributed Power in Homes(which are already set up with electric appliances) would make the Grid more stable for Renewable Power Feed-Ins, vis-a-vis the Smart Grid. What if.
Geoffrey Styles said:
Will,
Vehicle electrification can come in many flavors, and something that functions like a diesel-electric locomotive (electric drive, onboard generation, minimal storage) is probably a better model for heavy duty trucks than a plug-in BEV like the Leaf. It's an interesting scenario.
Michael Diamond said:
A few questions on this:
I know that you are not in favor of similar legislation that incentives electric vehicles. You base this generally off of your belief that the government should not be "picking winners," and your belief that electric cars would take a long time to make a dent in oil consumption. I don't see what the difference is here. Is the government not picking a winner here?
Also, I'm under the belief that natural gas creates electricity when burned in a power plant than it does when burned in a car. Is this correct? Assuming it is, then, wouldn't it be more efficient to use our newfound shale supplies to make electricity, which could power our cars along with everything else?
What's your position on the electric car part of the Senate bill that came out today? I know that T Boone's getting $4 billion while electric cars are getting only $400 million. Does this difference just reflect Pickens' power, or do you think it reflects natural gas having more potential than electrics?
Geoffrey Styles said:
Michael,
Good questions. You're right that I've criticized giving consumers up to $7,500 to buy an EV and noted that one would have to be making a lot more than the national average to get the full benefit of a non-refundable tax credit that large, so it's basically a subsidy for well-off Americans. It's also picking winners, when I'd much prefer uniform incentives for desired outcomes (i.e., fuel savings, emissions reductions, etc.) I'm not any more enthusiastic about the government handing trucking businesses up to $80k a throw to buy or convert trucks to CNG/LNG, though I believe the economic justification is stronger in the latter case than the former (EVs), in terms of the oil savings I referred to. However, I'll point out that in my posting I explicitly didn't endorse all the tax credits Pickens is asking for. Instead I suggested converting them to much more cost-effective loan guarantees to galvanize the private sector to fund these conversions. With our large deficits, we simply need to re-think the whole idea of using federal (and state) money to stimulate markets, especially for technology on which the US doesn't have a monopoly. I'd have thought that the experience of watching most of the Treasury grant money going to non-US wind developers and non-US wind turbine manufacturers would have taught us something.
Re your question about the efficiency of gas in power plants vs. vehicles, your're correct that if you put natural gas into a combined-cycle turbine, you can get thermal efficiencies north of 40%, and effective efficiencies much higher than that in CHP applications. 40% is about the theoretical limit of ICEs and well above their practical efficiency in the real world. However, while this is relevant to CNG cars vs. EVs--complicated by likely market penetration rates and infrastructure issues--in the case of heavy-duty trucks it's entirely irrelevant. Plug-in electrification of the 18-wheelers Mr. Pickens is focused on is not only not an option today; it is unlikely to become an option until we get batteries with nearly magical energy densities in the future.
As for the specifics of the latest energy bill, I've been too busy to look at it yet. I'll react in due course.
RodAdams said:
Geoff - there is a pretty strong coalition of natural gas customers who do not like the idea of spending government money to artificially create additional demand for a product that is a key ingredient in their industrial and agricultural processes.
http://atomicinsights.blogspot.com/2010/07/natural-gas-lobby-might-have-met-its.html
Though you might admire T.Boone Pickens because of the seeming philanthropic nature of his salesmanship, it is important that others recognize just how much he stands to benefit from any taxpayer money that is used to pay for tax credits for people who install CNG stations and who sell CNG to a larger volume of trucks:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/boone-pickens-eyes-payday-in-clean-energy-fuels-ipo
He is a major investor in Clean Energy Fuels a company that installs and operates CNG fueling stations.
http://www.cleanenergyfuels.com/
I don't buy snake oil, no matter how folksy the salesman is. I do not think it is a good investment of taxpayer money to help increase the cost of natural gas, which will increase the cost of electricity and increase the cost of food production just to make an 80 year old rich guy and his political buddies a bit richer.
Geoffrey Styles said:
Rod,
"spending government money to artificially create additional demand for a product that is a key ingredient in their industrial and agricultural processes."
Seems to me that same argument could be made against the generous purchaser tax credits, manufacturer investment tax credits, loans and loan guarantees, and government-supported recharging infrastructure for plug-in electric vehicles. More demand for electricity from EVs implies higher rates, just as more demand for gas from CNG trucks implies higher prices in the short run. However, in the long run the impact of both could be offset by higher capacity, and that's really the point here. When Pickens introduced his plan a couple of years ago, the world looked different. Few analysts fully appreciated the scale of the shale gas revolution; I certainly didn't. When it looked like we faced increasing competition for a shrinking pool of domestic natural gas backed up by costly imported LNG, I wasn't overly enthusiastic about CNG transportation, either. All of this looks different today, and instead of seeing natural gas transportation competing for their cheap gas, perhaps some of these interest groups you cite might put their efforts to more constructive use lobbying for sensible development of the shale gas under their feet.
I'm skeptical of big incentives for anything, as I think you know, but I see merit in supporting both natural gas transportation and electric transportation to some degree, as they get started. I don't see Pickens as a philanthropist in this matter. When someone sells me something, I anticipate he's making money on it. If his idea benefits the country, I don't mind him getting a cut, as long as it's done fair and square. By comparison, implicitly holding out for nuclear power as the only acceptable solution to every energy problem we face merely perpetuates the status quo.
RodAdams said:
Geoff - I have run the numbers associated with shale gas and am not nearly as enthusiastic as you are. The Potential Gas Committee report issued in the summer of 2009 that is the basis for all of the often repeated optimism produced a total US resource number of a bit more than 2,000 Trillion Cubic Feet (TCF) if you include all of the resource categories - proven, probable, potential, and speculative.
The US consumed 23 TCF in 2009. Simple math says that the total resource will last less than 100 years IF we do not increase our consumption rate and IF we are able to access all of the resources. Those are two very large IF's that I would have made bigger, but I cannot figure out how to control font size here.
I have a six month old granddaughter and come from a family where my great grandmother lived to be 101 and my grandmother lived to be 97. The vision of her growing up and having a family in a world that is even more dependent on natural gas than it is today but is rapidly depleting such a small resource is frightening.
I do not say that nuclear energy is the only acceptable energy source because I recognize that burning hydrocarbons is an activity that has brought a great deal of human prosperity - and not just for the suppliers. I want to stretch those resources as far as possible, so I do advocate that wherever it makes sense we should replace machines that currently burn fossil fuels with machines that use the FAR more abundant uranium, thorium and plutonium inventories. Used intelligently, nuclear fission can displace a large portion of current uses and give us centuries of additional breathing room.
Like you, I have no problem recognizing that someone who is selling me something is making money while I presumably am getting what I need from the deal by obtaining the item that I value enough to part with MY money. However, Pickens is not selling his ideas to his customers - he is selling his ideas to congress critters who plan to use MY money (and yours, and the money of the sailors I used to serve and the factory workers I used to manage) to reduce the investment dollars that he needs to build the infrastructure necessary to make even more money by selling more gas at higher coming from wells that BP Capital owns.
That is the snake oil.
I disrespect any businessman who invests his money lobbying for handouts rather than making products that people want enough to pay for themselves. The only "subsidy" for nuclear energy that I reluctantly support is a well vetted loan guarantee program to enable the industry to attract the capital necessary to restart a very large and potentially productive supply chain after 30 years without any new building. I also advocate increased resources for the Nuclear Regulatory Commission that arrive before the lines of applicants backs up because it takes time to train regulators and a few million extra for the NRC now will save tens of billions in queue related costs later. However, 90% of NRC resources do not come from taxpayers, they come directly from the industry in the form of fees.
Geoffrey Styles said:
Rod,
"the total resource will last less than 100 years IF we do not increase our consumption rate"
This is really the glass half empty or half full, isn't it? You see a 100 year resource and consider it too small to start using, while I see a 100 year resource and consider it as a great bridge for the next 20-30 years--more than long enough to pay out the investment in infrastructure and fleets necessary to exploit it--while we improve battery technology and renewables finally ramp up to a scale on which they can help nuclear (and maybe CCS) displace all GHG-emitting power generation. Cutting the emissions from electricity is also crucial to ensuring we aren't just trading problems when we replace oil & gas burning cars with EVs.
As for gas being a "rapidly depleting" resource, I'd merely point out that shale gas is just the tip of a veritable mountain of unconventional natural gas resources; it's merely the latest portion we can access today. In total there is more gas available in various forms than we could ever need or want to burn, and the process of using it advances the technology for accessing more. This isn't some theoretical economics cornucopianism, but reality grounded in the geology of gas: Shale gas demonstrates this progression very well, building on the success of coal-bed methane development, which hasn't gotten nearly the press that the former has but without which we'd all be paying more for gas now.
RodAdams said:
Geoff:
If shale gas is just the tip of a veritable mountain of unconventional natural gas resources, where do all of the others fall in the normal classification of "proven, probable, possible and speculative"? The 100 year number that I quoted included ALL of those categories.
It is not a case of not using the resource - I am reluctant to increase the rate at which we are ALREADY using the resource to something that is unsustainable. As the APPA study that was recently released indicates, there is a real risk from increasing our rate of consumption of gas, and building the infrastructure required to do that. Based on their analysis, this is not a bridge strategy, but one that will last a long time, probably with eventual supplements from LNG as we reach production limits here in the US.
http://atomicinsights.blogspot.com/2010/07/appa-detailed-study-on-effects-of.html
Like the American Public Power Association, I am deeply concerned about the effects of a constrained supply and increasing demand on a vital commodity that is a key input to many industrial and agricultural processes. I maintain that the whole effort to sell shale gas is a marketing strategy by an industry that grew to LIKE selling its product at prices that were painful for many of its customers - so painful that demand destruction occurred as chemical plants, fertilizer production, and other high gas demands left the country.
Unfortunately for the poor people who use gas for heat to survive the winter, they did not have the option to relocate to Qatar.
When it comes to whether the natural gas glass is half full or half empty - who cares. In both cases, the resource is at the same level. I prefer to spend my time and effort thinking about how to better use resources where the "glass" is more than 99% full. We have only been extracting about 0.6% of the energy value of mined uranium and we have not even started to extract meaningful quantities of energy from thorium.
Geoffrey Styles said:
Rod,
It always comes back to nuclear! As for the 100 year resource, if the study you referenced cited it anywhere, I couldn't find it. They might have looked at proved, probable and possible shale gas resources, but it's a good bet didn't consider the total gas endowment, which encompasses resources like gas hydrates that could eventually be tapped with better technology (e.g. before 2100.) In any case, there aren't many other non-renewable commodities in other industries with that kind of visibility on resource longevity at a point in time. Oil never had a 100 year resource life, yet it's lasted 150 and counting.
I can understand industrial & power customers of gas being concerned about future supplies, having been burned so recently. Demand destruction is a gut-wrenching process, and you're right that we'll never see the industries that left return, because they went to where gas was under a buck in many cases. However, that doesn't convey a right to try to run off other potential customers here. That seems no less monopolistic/oligopolistic than a supplier trying to run off competing suppliers. Why don't potential users of gas in transportation have the same right of access to gas that these other groups claim--or that you are asserting on their behalf?
RodAdams said:
Geoff:
One more thing. The coalition that is pushing back against government action to provide incentives to increase natural gas consumption in vehicles is not trying to "run off other potential customers". They are merely protesting government action to supply the investment dollars that the industry will not supply for itself to make it possible to sell to those customers. In other words, they have a legitimate beef with congress critters using THEIR tax money to drive prices higher so that the congressmen can attract a few more votes from natural gas interests. They are simply letting the congressmen know that the strategy is not a risk free strategy and that it will negatively affect a different voting block.
Geoffrey Styles said:
There's nothing wrong with this group voicing their views and presenting their case. That's our system. But let's not fool ourselves that they are somehow more public-spirited and less self-interested than anyone else in the debate. They want that gas for themselves at prices that will keep their businesses going. In their shoes, I'd feel the same way, and I'd probably also look askance at the government putting its thumb on the scales to shift the balance that benefits them. (The government has its thumbs on so many scales these days that it's impossible to guess what the outcome will be.) The question is whether their point of view is consistent with the policies and investment necessary to keep US gas production growing, rather than shrinking as it was just a couple of years ago, when the competition over tight supplies and the high cost of imports put some of their peers out of business or sent them offshore.
RodAdams said:
Geoff:
Here is a link to the Colorado School of Mines announcement of the Potential Gas Committee June 2009 report:
http://www.mines.edu/Potential-Gas-Committee-reports-unprecedented-increase-in-magnitude-of-U.S.-natural-gas-resource-base
Here is a quote:
“The PGC’s year-end 2008 assessment reaffirms the Committee’s conviction that abundant, recoverable natural gas resources exist within our borders, both onshore and offshore, in all types of reservoirs,” said Dr. John B. Curtis, Professor of Geology and Geological Engineering at the Colorado School of Mines and Director of the Potential Gas Agency there, which provides guidance and technical assistance to the Potential Gas Committee.
Dr. Curtis cautioned, however, that the current assessment assumes neither a time schedule nor a specific market price for the discovery and production of future gas supply. “Estimates of the Potential Gas Committee are ‘base-line estimates’ in that they attempt to provide a reasonable appraisal of what we consider to be the ‘technically recoverable’ gas resource potential of the United States,” he explained."
You apparently do not have the same concern that I do for the prosperity of all Americans, for the competitive industries in the country, and for the future access to natural gas for many generations to come. What gives us - the people living here in America today - the right to burn up all the gas we can lay our hands on?
You mentioned that oil never had a 100 year resource life. I sure wish that we had not worked so hard to burn it up as fast as we did. Sure, we have been using it here in America for 150 years, but that is only because we have been getting help from overseas in huge quantities for the past 50 of those years. We passed our own peak in oil production in 1970.
I suspect that a big part of the push to develop natural gas markets now is an effort to obtain some more addicts that will willingly accept LNG shipments from the enormous resources that Shell, ExxonMobil and Chevron have developed in places like the UAE, Qatar and off the coast of Australia. They have invested tens to hundreds of billions in those plays already and they really need some high priced customers to make them pay off.
I know ExxonMobil just completed the merger with XTO to develop American shale gas resources to the tune of about 45 TCF, but that is just a few years supply. I am sure that they are already deep into planning what comes next - LNG via tanker.
http://www.zacks.com/stock/news/36152/Exxon-XTO+Energy+Merger+Completed
Geoffrey Styles said:
Rod,
"abundant, recoverable natural gas resources exist within our borders, both onshore and offshore, in all types of reservoirs"
Sounds like a dire warning. As for, "What gives us - the people living here in America today - the right to burn up all the gas we can lay our hands on?", I don't hear anyone suggesting burning up 100 years worth of gas in the blink of an eye. However, using gas as part of a smart transition plan for a multi-decade shift away from hydrocarbons and toward low-emitting energy sources sounds like a good investment of those resources, rather than squandering them.
It's also a fact of extraction industries that when you produce resources, you tend to find more. When you artificially constrain them, you tend to lose your capabilities or fail to develop new ones, and you can end up with a dwindling supply. Technology has put a lot more domestic natural gas on our plate than we had just a few years ago. There's a legitimate debate about how best to make use of that gas, whether to generate electricity to back out higher emitting sources and back up lower-emitting ones (you seem not to like this approach very much, preferring nuclear) or to use some of that gas in vehicles, backing out oil from a sector that's not a candidate for electrification (except by shifting freight to rail, which is currently chock-a-block and also not easily electrified outside high-capacity urban corridors.) You seem to prefer leaving it in the ground. That's an option, too, but it won't benefit those industrial users, because the best guarantee they have of ample supplies in the future is a broad market with enough other uses (and users) to justify the production and infrastructure investments. Gone are the days when industry benefited from dirt-cheap associated gas (gas produced incidental to producing oil) that otherwise had no market. That's never coming back.
Have we exhausted this topic?
Nathan Wilson said:
CNG as a transportation fuel and gas-to-liquid-fuel conversion are both prudent from an energy security standpoint, especially in the context of oil wars and peak oil. I'm continually surprised at how little support these technology receive, given the amount of buzz there is about energy security.
Geoffrey Styles said:
Nathan,
It's a good question, and now that we no longer face a dwindling supply of gas, perhaps it's just that CNG isn't glamorous enough. The perfect is the enemy of the good, and there are a host of perfect energy scenarios out there with little room in them for something as mundane as CNG.
Geoffrey Styles said:
I updated the post to reflect information I received on the federal tax rate for CNG.
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