The Nuclear Safety Paradox
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Meredith Angwin
Former project manager at Electric Power Research Institute. Chemist, writer, grandmother, and proponent of nuclear energy.Other Posts by Meredith Angwin
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A guest says:
Hey guys. Thanks for the comments. I'm the fellow who sent the email to Meredith which became this post. I had thought about mentioning Thorium. I'm very hopeful about the LFTR - it looks like a very exciting design concept. The LFTR is just one of those "iterations" I was talking about. The problem is, we just can't get any new nukes built - LFTR or otherwise. Uranium scarcity is on the horizon, but not here yet. I say let's solve tomorrow's problems tomorrow. I'd like to see LFTRs, sure, but the fact we have no LFTRs, I think, is part and parcel of the same problem - we're not iterating new generations of nuclear technology at a reasonably fast pace. Let's build AP 1000s, ESBWRs, EPRs, etc *today* to at least replace our current capacity, and perhaps grow the capacity by another 20 or 30%, so they come online within the next 10 years. Meanwhile, let's get the R&D going on LFTR so maybe we can build them in 10-15 years, and they come online in 15-25 years. I'm pretty confident that all of the new reactor designs are an improvement on the old reactors, but they aren't the end-game, not by a long shot.Nathan Wilson says:
Jeff, this is a good article.
One minor correction I would suggest is that the US DOE's NREL has done a reasonable amount of research to show that wind and solar could replace the 20% our electricity that comes from nuclear, and in fact, could probably go as high as 30-40%.
The important distinction is that nuclear is a scalable technology that is currently providing about 80% of Frances electricity, and could do the same for the US. Furthermore, nuclear power can be used to provide process heat for industrial application (e.g. chemical and biofuels processing). Nuclear also gets around the uneven geographic distribution of renewables.
The result is that nuclear can potentially displace a much larger percentage of our fossil fuel use, while having a much smaller ecological footprint compared to current renewables.
A guest says:
The author writes:
"A passive cooling system uses basic physics to work. Passive cooling systems do not require any outside intervention, like electric power, fuel, or other inputs. They work automatically, and always work because those principles of physics never change. Examples of passive cooling techniques include convection in the cooling fluid, air cooling, gravity-fed water cooling, etc). Such passive cooling will keep cooling the reactor from melting down for an extended period of time, when no outside power is available for pumping cooling water."
I think there is a widespread misconception that somehow the use of passive systems means you don't need to worry about running out of water and that you don't need electricity. This is just not true. You do.
The "extended period of time" is sometime between 3 days and a week, due to the large bank of batteries (3 days' worth of power instead of 8 hours) and taking credit for various sources of water that one might be able to use for reactor cooling. But an AP1000 cannot do without electricity and water -- it needs to get it from somewhere after the tanks drain and the onsite batteries drain. But, don't take it from me, an anonymous commentor: I suggest you write to the NRC and get a straight answer on this question. I assure you what I have written is correct.
Those who have written on Thorium instead of Uranium have a point, however. For those who think nuclear is a good idea, the problem is the horrible, terrible decision to go with uranium-based reactors rather than thorium ones, made decades ago. Tragic, tragic, tragic. And it makes no sense -- TEPCO now downgraded to junk status, and for what? What cost-saving of using bomb-making facilities as dual-purpose for civilian power could possibly justify what has happened? Notice, this is _not_ an "anti-nuclear" sentiment.
A guest says:
Exactly. Molten salt reactors (LFTRs) don't have "passive cooling until the water runs out." They have passive cooling, period.
The molten salt in a LFTR is a 2% solution of nuclear fuel dissolved in liquid (molten) fluoride salt. The only way the fuel fissions is within the confined space of the reactor core. Drain the molten salt out of the reactor, or let it leak out of a damaged one, and the salt expands, which moves the fuel particles away from each other. That stops the fission process, and the molten salt immediately cools into an inert blob of rock. Imagine a cup of melted chocolate poured into a cookie sheet. You wind up with a big, solid candy bar. And it'll stay that way, until you melt it again.
That's passive cooling. And only liquid fuel reactors can do that. Solid fuel reactors never can, because solid fuel can't "get away from itself" like the fuel particles in molten salt can. And that's exactly and precisely why solid fuel - any solid fuel - is, quite simply, a bad idea.
Liquid fuel is the only known methodology of achieving truly safe power from nuclear fission.
A guest says:
Bottom line up front: we're using the wrong reactors.
If Molten Salt Reactors had been used at Fukushima, overheating would not have been an issue, a meltdown would have been physically impossible, virtually no radioactive material would have spread into the wider environment, and the reactors would have been up and running again in a matter of days.
The Molten Salt Reactor (MSR), now called the Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor (LFTR) has several fundamental advantages over the solid-fuel designs used over the last 50 years, particularly the boiling water design used at Fukushima.
Solid fuel is inherently problematic, in that whatever configuration is used the reactor always operates on the verge of overheating. Since the fuel rods have to be placed close together to keep each other fissioning, they can't be moved away from each other to cool off, and so highly pressurized water is used to prevent a meltdown. Three Mile Island happened because the pumps failed for a mere 10 seconds.
The MSR concept was developed by Alvin Weinberg, who also patented the Light Water Reactor. He knew he had a better design in the Molten Salt Reactor, and was finally given a chance to build one at Oak Ridge in the late 60’s. It performed flawlessly for more than 17,000 hours over a course of five years, but was shut down due to Cold War strategy, political and budgetary considerations, and an inter-lab rivalry with Argonne, who had already finalized the development of the Plutonium Fast Breeder Reactor. The Fast Reactor's advantage was that it did a great job of producing weapons-grade Plutonium, while the Molten Salt Reactor was virtually useless at the task. And there was a war on.
The Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor is the modern iteration of the MSR. The LFTR employs liquid fuel, as the name implies. Specifically, molten fluoride salt, into which pure Thorium (232Th) is dissolved. Under neutron bombardment from an initial "kick-start" of LEU (Lightly-Enriched Uranium) a new LFTR transforms its load of Thorium into 233U, which is the actual fuel. This 233U then bombards more Thorium, which is added to the reactor as it continues to operate at full power. From that point forward, the LFTR runs on a Thorium-232/Uranium-233 fuel cycle with no additional LEU.
Almost no Plutonium is produced in a LFTR, since the original Thorium atom would have to absorb six neutrons without fissioning to eventually turn into 239Pu. A 1-gigawatt LFTR would produce something on the order of one teaspoon of Plutonium per year, but since it would be contaminated with 241Pu it would be useless for weapons production.
The advantages of a liquid-fuel reactor are many. First off, it regulates its own temperature, eliminating the need for control rods. The way it does this is simple, and ingenious - as the molten salt is heated by its fissioning fuel particles, it expands, moving the particles away from each other. This lessens the fission process, and the salt cools and condenses. This moves the fuel particles closer together, which increases the fission process, and so on until the LFTR settles into its "Goldilocks" operating temperature. Although that temperature is 700ºC, far hotter than a solid-fuel reactor (and more heat = more power), it's still far below fluoride salt's boiling point, and so the LFTR never operates under pressure.
Due to its ability to self-regulate, a LFTR cannot overheat or melt down (the engineers at Oak Ridge tried to get the test reactor to melt down twice, and they failed.) And if a LFTR ever does start getting too hot, a simple freeze plug in a drainpipe melts, and the entire reactor empties by gravity into a large holding tank, where the salt quickly cools off.
If the LFTR is damaged or destroyed and the molten salt leaks out, it cools and solidifies into an inert lump of rock. A crust similar to the corrosion on weathered aluminum forms on the surface of the blob, locking the nuclear material inside, and preventing it from being spread into the wider environment. The entire load of material can be recovered and re-used. When a LFTR is decommissioned, its full load of fuel salt is simply transferred to the replacement LFTR.
Because of its high operating temperature, a LFTR can be air-cooled, eliminating the need to locate a thorium power planet near a body of water. It can even be placed in an underground vault, safe from attack or natural disaster. A tornado or a tsunami would roll over it like a truck over a manhole cover. And since it operates at atmospheric pressure, the need for a costly containment dome is eliminated.
Neutron-absorbing Xenon-135 is the fission product that contaminates all solid fuel rods, after only 3% of their fuel is used. But the genius of a LFTR is that the 135Xe bubbles out of molten salt, and so the fuel can be completely consumed. Valuable fission products, such as Technetium-99m and Cobalt-60, can be easily harvested from the salt, on a daily basis if desired.
The actinides that are produced (Plutonium, Neptunium, etc.) are simply left in the LFTR until they fission. Actinides are the particles in spent fuel rods that make nuclear waste storage so vexing, because these "transuranic" elements can last for hundreds of thousands of years. But because a LFTR can fission its fuel so completely, the only long-term waste a LFTR produces is a collection of fission products that revert to background radiation levels in just 300 years. In a 1-gigawatt LFTR (big enough to power a city of one million people at Western standards,) the total yearly volume of 300-year waste is about the size of a basketball.
Because it's so efficient, a LFTR can also fission the spent fuel rods from solid-fuel reactors. To a LFTR, spent fuel is actually unutilized fuel. This means that LFTRs can act as the nuclear industry's "garbage disposal," cleaning up the megatons of nuclear waste left behind by other reactors, and turning it into carbon-free megawatts in the process. The cores of dismantled nuclear warheads can be transformed from megatons into megawatts as well.
Yucca Mountain is obsolete, and so are solid fuel reactors.
Last fall, a Chinese delegation toured Oak Ridge. On Chinese New Year, they announced that they would be starting a Molten Salt Reactor program, and patenting every advance they make...
Of course, everything I've written here about the LFTR constitutes one big forward-looking statement. The original MSR has been shut down for 40 years now, and the LFTR is still on the drawing board.
But if we don't wrap up the R&D and start building some LFTRs, America will soon be buying her own invention from China. And if that isn't a Sputnik Moment, then I don't know what is.
Please see:
http://www.wired.com/magazine/...
http://sites.google.com/site/r...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3rL08J7fDA
http://energyfromthorium.com/ ...
http://www.thoriumenergyallian...
A guest says:
Most agree we need the nukes we have today. The worries about nukes are many, not just safety. The end of uranium (like copper) seems to be on our horizon, and then there is insurance and cost per watt. A different Nuke fuel thorium seems to address these problems. Your article addresses a future hope-potential for an energy future base reliance upon solar and wind, being a major load bearing energy source. However, your article does not even suggest thorium. The uranium/thorium historical split, mostly due Admiral Rickover, decided our path decades ago. The hope for a safe nuke fuel, one that generates energy from heat within an unpressurized production system, produces less waste, is less harmful to living beings, solidifies and produces very little containment problems when containment does fail, Thorium. Meltdown does not happen. The hopes of safety, plutonium generation, health, and many years of fuel availability, and you do not mention a future hope, Thorium. A nuke takes 6-8 years to create from the ground up. Monies directed to hope and need. Thorium fuel and nuke criticality or rather the technology, holds similar technologies. We pay many to study the Fukushima Daiichi and Chernobyl disasters and refrain from directing our effort to hope...thorium. Thorium versus uranium mining and processing seem to reflect a very different safety and health aspect considering the supply chain of these two fuels.
If a market local slowly becomes healthy by selling, consumers in that realm are the customers who increase those receipts. If they are educated consumers usually they make a better selection for their purchase. The hope of a green world resides upon clean energy and stimulation of that supply chain, like the success of a market, in consideration to what that intelligent-educated local consumer of energy leadership, consumes.
Similar to recent international business: CDOs, real estate repackaged bonds; solar “wars” are stimulating or restricting the flow of processed roof top PV modules. At this date there are 4-10 GW of modules unused and waiting in inventory around the world (see Mercom circa fall-winter 2010). The world has the capability to produce 39-42 GW, had produced 24 GW, and sold 17 GW in 2010 (Mercom). If America wishes to make Europe bring the cost of the PV module down, she lets higher gas prices in Europe stimulate PV module sales in Europe. Then the investment nature of W Street focuses upon which solar companies to stimulate. Now we have set the stage for the uranium nuke. It is American made. If China or India produces a commercial grade utility thorium nuke, will the Americans replace orders of the GE or Westinghouse BWR? NO! PV is being slightly contained, just business. (Buy Wal-Mart) So American’s want a green energy and not the Nuke as you state are a safety issue resolved or soon to be resolved. It seems maybe uranium nukes are necessary but maybe we have enough.
The concept being: the ones who move local consumer directions are the better educated and more affluent and capable to stimulate a supply chain into success. Just like anyone if they just do not care about the energy environment, they cannot be lead down a path. Therefore the rest of us must be content with the waste the others choose to produce. The concept being: the ones who move local consumer directions are the better educated and more affluent and capable to stimulate a supply chain into success: thorium, PV, and CSP.
America needs an example like California, motivating those better educated multi dwelling owning class of citizens who have the capability to purchase PV modules for their roof. A voter, thinker might consider putting $2,000.00 down payment toward a low rate, long term bank loan, 500-2kW PV, outside of California. Those modules could be generating 10-30% of the gross electricity each home uses without grid buy back. We gain approximately 25% of our gross energy usage (national home energy usage) times 10-30% from the collection of the sun. Economic stimulation! This will begin reducing the cost of PV, offer labor for out-of-work home builders and construction professionals. This will allow American energy utility industry to consider options, maybe give us time. If done with the speed of the "Cash for Clunkers" and road repair, America could forgo nuke need for a short while and focus upon thorium fueled nukes.
Please see what I believe is cheaper than base load nuke (93% base load), at a cost of President Obama’s Vogtle 3 & 4 which equals approximately $6.50 a watt (without cost overrun...yet), CSP with salt storage of heat is rated at $5.59 a watt. I am sure other factors lead to different and varied conclusions: sunshine days; although we are talking about mining, containment, insurance and safety of nukes.
Please refer to: <http://www.seia.org/galleries/default-file/Solar_Trade_Assessment.pdf> please note page 52, and others of course.
ChangeItOrDrownIt
Don
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Fort Calhoun Nuke on the Missouri R., offline waiting refueling, the containment pools water circulation cooling system is flooded and damaged. The NRC gave the incident a Level 4 alert, June 8-11 2011. The Missouri is expected to rise five more feet. Four upriver dams are in peril of breaching. President Obama has ordered a news blackout…..Have a nice day.
Nathan Wilson says:
ChangeItOrDrownIt, I'm quite certain that the $5.59/W cost for CSP does not include energy storage or the associated increase in collection area. The slide that you linked says it is based on US installations from 2009, but there were no major plants installed that year, just two small ones totaling 12 MW, and I don't believe either had storage.
For comparison, the new Gemasolar CSP plant in Spain has enough storage and collection area to run 24 hours per day in the summer, has an annual average capacity factor of 63%, and has a cost of about $33 per average Watt delivered (nearly 5x the price of the Vogtle nuke).
http://theenergycollective.com/nathan-wilson/58791/20mw-gemasolar-plant-elegant-pricey
Stephen Gloor says:
Nathan Wilson - "has a cost of about $33 per average Watt delivered (nearly 5x the price of the Vogtle nuke)."
I see you are doing this again. The representitive all-up cost of any generating plant is calculated from the final cost divided by the nameplate capacity. As any plant at this stage has not had a chance to run then you cannot include the CF in this calculation. You say the cost for this plant is $20.95/W which is not out of the range for FOAK plants. Subsequent plants built from the same design are very likely to cost a lot less than this.
Also the final cost seems much lower than the cost you found. All these articles seem to agree on Euro 171 million where I cannot find any that agree with the figure you gave. I think the Daily Mail gave the US cost in pounds that you converted to US dollars:
"The Gemosolar CSP plant featuring central tower receiver with thermal storage capabilities has received €171 million ($242.5 million) finance through several European financial institutions like Banco Popular, Banesto, ICO and the European Investment Bank."
The US dollar has varied over the years so the cost of 171 million Euro has varied from USD$271 million (.63) to USD$206 milion (.85) making the FOAK costs lie in a range of USD$13.55 and $10.33 per watt which is much more reasonable that the USD 419million /$33/W that you were quoting.
Where capacity factors come into play is the calculation for cost per kw/hr where a projected cost for various capacity factors can be calculated to see how viable the plant is. CF has no place in the cost per watt calculation as this calculation is purely to get an idea of how much different types of plants cost to build in comparison to others. I know that nuclear advocates often divide the cost/W by the imagined CF of a renewable plant to try to inflate the costs and minimise the cost of nuclear however as I have pointed out over the years this is invalid however it comes up now and again.
Nathan Wilson says:
Stephen, the cost per nameplate Watt is a simple and effective way to make comparisons for the same technology over time (e.g. solar PV). However it is useless for comparing different technologies (eg. fixed tilt PV vs. tracking PV vs. CSP w/ storage vs. wind), as it does not include the capacity factor.
The levelized cost does include the capacity factor, but is much more complicated, and confounds the technology cost with other factors such as intest rate and government incentives which yields a number which cannot be compared without correcting for a list of assumptions.
The levelized cost is usually given for government funded studies, but is almost never published for commercial projects. However, even for commercial projects, the total cost, and sufficient data (location) to estimate capacity factor is usually provided.
The capacity factor of solar projects is always estimated before any construction is started (at least in the US), since the US DOE's NREL has a very nice set of tables that provide the necessary solar data for any part of the US, for both tracking and fixed-tilt applications.
As a result, the best simple metric for comparing renewable technologies and projects is the cost of an average delivered Watt.
Stephen Gloor says:
Nathan Wilson - "As a result, the best simple metric for comparing renewable technologies and projects is the cost of an average delivered Watt."
So what do you set as the average CF of nuclear? Do you use the .75 average of France that has the most nukes, including load followers, or the .90 of US power plants or the .40 of a new plant that has teething problems and is down for a year? Basically if you include CF in that calculation you can make the cost whatever you want depending on the CF that you select which makes the comparison useless.
The standard definition is for overnight cost is cost/nameplate. For all up costs it is cost + interest etc / nameplate. If you want to include CF you have to do the extra work and model a period of operation that includes the anticipated CF along with fuel, staff etc to get a cost per kW/hr.
Trying to use the cost of an average delivered watt is just lazy and open to manipulation for whatever purpose you have in mind. If you don't like the standard definitions then you cannot make up your own unless you are Microsoft of course.
Willem Post says:
Stephen,
In 25 to 40 year spreadsheet life cycle cost analyses (ignoring subsidies and other financial aspects) what matters is annual energy production and owning and O&M costs and the expected useful service life of a project.
The energy production matters because it spreads the costs over many units, i.e., $/kWh
The owning costs usually are accounted for by inputting a minimum rate of return required for a project; the process is similar to paying off a house mortgage.
The O&M cost matters because it includes fuel costs.
The useful service life matters because it spreads the costs over many more units than if service life is short.
EVERY utility performs such analyses to decide which alternative to implement.
Each project comes with its own financial subsidies and other goodies that influence utility decisions; those financial analyses are usually performed by people with MBAs and/or CPAs.
Subsidies usually go to inefficient projects that do not have a market rate of return and could not be financed without subsidies; this will cause the average price level of goods and services to increase. Vendors, project developers and financiers benefit, the rest pays.
If the same resources are attracted by projects that DO have a market rate of return WITHOUT subsidies, the average price level will decrease. All benefit.
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